Comments on: CONAN – an answer to Carlos the Jackal http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/ Behind the scenes of the movie Outlander (and Conan...) Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:18:02 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Waldgeist http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/#comment-429 Waldgeist Thu, 28 May 2009 18:28:18 +0000 http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/?p=174#comment-429 Forget what i wrote :D i just read the opening post hehe.. sooorryy.. Forget what i wrote :D i just read the opening post hehe.. sooorryy..

]]> By: Waldgeist http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/#comment-425 Waldgeist Thu, 28 May 2009 17:58:21 +0000 http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/?p=174#comment-425 Wait lemme ask this again... Donnelly/Oppenheimer script is going to used for the Conan movie coming now and YOUR script is going to be used for the movie that comes ofter this? Wait lemme ask this again…

Donnelly/Oppenheimer script is going to used for the Conan movie coming now and YOUR script is going to be used for the movie that comes ofter this?

]]> By: Reaver http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/#comment-423 Reaver Thu, 28 May 2009 17:37:07 +0000 http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/?p=174#comment-423 Well, I wasn't actually "hoping" for a new Milius movie, but rather hoping that if he was trying something, it would spur the current filmmakers to do something. However, now that I read your update, I'm a little more relaxed. As to Milius' effort, it is what it is. You either love it or hate it, it seems. :) Granted that there were so many mistakes made from day one. But in the end, we got a decent (IMHO great) S&S film. And what about Ron Cobb's designs? :) Well, I wasn’t actually “hoping” for a new Milius movie, but rather hoping that if he was trying something, it would spur the current filmmakers to do something. However, now that I read your update, I’m a little more relaxed.

As to Milius’ effort, it is what it is. You either love it or hate it, it seems. :) Granted that there were so many mistakes made from day one. But in the end, we got a decent (IMHO great) S&S film.

And what about Ron Cobb’s designs? :)

]]> By: outlanderthemovie http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/#comment-421 outlanderthemovie Thu, 28 May 2009 07:19:52 +0000 http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/?p=174#comment-421 Hey Carlos. I just put this info in a new post: we actually did not write Conan 1. We are writing Conan 2. That was actually a misquote - he was talking about the Donnelly/Oppennheimer draft. And you might be forgiven for wondering how it can be both 'cool and contemporary' and also go 'back to the original source materials.'. Have you read that script yet? Hey Carlos. I just put this info in a new post: we actually did not write Conan 1. We are writing Conan 2. That was actually a misquote – he was talking about the Donnelly/Oppennheimer draft. And you might be forgiven for wondering how it can be both ‘cool and contemporary’ and also go ‘back to the original source materials.’. Have you read that script yet?

]]> By: outlanderthemovie http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/#comment-420 outlanderthemovie Thu, 28 May 2009 07:14:42 +0000 http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/?p=174#comment-420 I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for another Milius Conan. Rights are rights, and as of now they are held by Millennium via Paradox. ANd with all due respect, Reaver, I can't help hating on the old Conan movie. Bad dialogue, acting, directing, almost bad everything. JEJ had some nice moments, and the death of Conan's mom is poetry. Good score. But eeesh. Everything else. I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for another Milius Conan. Rights are rights, and as of now they are held by Millennium via Paradox. ANd with all due respect, Reaver, I can’t help hating on the old Conan movie. Bad dialogue, acting, directing, almost bad everything. JEJ had some nice moments, and the death of Conan’s mom is poetry. Good score. But eeesh. Everything else.

]]> By: Reaver http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/#comment-415 Reaver Thu, 14 May 2009 21:50:17 +0000 http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/?p=174#comment-415 My only thing is that you have to give Milius some credit. He was working with a horribly bad script by Oliver Stone (even less REH in it than what made it on screen), he was also not very familiar with the character beyond the Frazetta paintings before Dino hired him, and he had to work with an actor in the main role who had trouble speaking English intelligibly. In the end, he took what he was handed and produced the best movie he could within the budget and time constraints. Frankly, it irritates me to no end when people want to just call Milius a hack and lay every bad thing they perceive about the film on him. Personally, I think it's a great film, still one of my all-time favorites. As to him trying to get around the rights to produce his own, I bet that's just rumor and heresay. But if he is doing it, cool. Maybe we'll get another kick-ass S&S movie. And then the purists will have something new to hate on. My only thing is that you have to give Milius some credit. He was working with a horribly bad script by Oliver Stone (even less REH in it than what made it on screen), he was also not very familiar with the character beyond the Frazetta paintings before Dino hired him, and he had to work with an actor in the main role who had trouble speaking English intelligibly. In the end, he took what he was handed and produced the best movie he could within the budget and time constraints.

Frankly, it irritates me to no end when people want to just call Milius a hack and lay every bad thing they perceive about the film on him. Personally, I think it’s a great film, still one of my all-time favorites.

As to him trying to get around the rights to produce his own, I bet that’s just rumor and heresay. But if he is doing it, cool. Maybe we’ll get another kick-ass S&S movie. And then the purists will have something new to hate on.

]]> By: Kortoso http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/#comment-413 Kortoso Wed, 13 May 2009 18:08:37 +0000 http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/?p=174#comment-413 Is it true that Milius is working with some British studio to try an end-run around the CPI rights-holders and come out with his own Conan? If that's true, who would you be rooting for? And this is open to the floor for debate. :) Is it true that Milius is working with some British studio to try an end-run around the CPI rights-holders and come out with his own Conan?

If that’s true, who would you be rooting for? And this is open to the floor for debate. :)

]]> By: Kortoso http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/#comment-412 Kortoso Tue, 12 May 2009 18:17:48 +0000 http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/?p=174#comment-412 Thank you for your thoughts, Carlos. I agree that Conan needs to be tinkered with in order to work. Many die-hard REH fans can't see beyond their devotion, but it is true. The fault with Milius is that he stepped outside of the theme and the character. A little sophisticated literary research would find a strong theme of barbarism versus civilization coded inside the stories, and inside Howard's poetry. A barbarian wandering alone into the city. This is a perfect opportunity to explore this theme. I will be greatly disappointed if it's neglected. As far as Conan's character arc, it is clear that Conan has a learning curve as he visits the civilized lands. Howard is too kind to his character to allow him weakness, but a little bit would not hurt the story. Even by using original stories, one could detail this arc, even producing a three-act format. Three of the stories that would 1) Introduce us to the barbaric world that give rise to Conan (Frost-Giants Daughter), showing us honorable barbaric traditions.along the way, 2) show Conan's first faltering steps in civilization and the mistakes he makes along the way (Tower of the Elephant) and his mistaken assumption that he is a lesser man for not knowing the rules, 2) a finale in which he figures out that it is his barbaric virtue that make him stronger than other men (Rogues in the House). Just ideas and suggestions, I just hate to throw babies out with bathwater. Thank you for your thoughts, Carlos.

I agree that Conan needs to be tinkered with in order to work. Many die-hard REH fans can’t see beyond their devotion, but it is true.

The fault with Milius is that he stepped outside of the theme and the character. A little sophisticated literary research would find a strong theme of barbarism versus civilization coded inside the stories, and inside Howard’s poetry.

A barbarian wandering alone into the city. This is a perfect opportunity to explore this theme. I will be greatly disappointed if it’s neglected.

As far as Conan’s character arc, it is clear that Conan has a learning curve as he visits the civilized lands. Howard is too kind to his character to allow him weakness, but a little bit would not hurt the story.

Even by using original stories, one could detail this arc, even producing a three-act format. Three of the stories that would 1) Introduce us to the barbaric world that give rise to Conan (Frost-Giants Daughter), showing us honorable barbaric traditions.along the way, 2) show Conan’s first faltering steps in civilization and the mistakes he makes along the way (Tower of the Elephant) and his mistaken assumption that he is a lesser man for not knowing the rules, 2) a finale in which he figures out that it is his barbaric virtue that make him stronger than other men (Rogues in the House).

Just ideas and suggestions, I just hate to throw babies out with bathwater.

]]> By: Blair Wheeler http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/#comment-405 Blair Wheeler Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:48:50 +0000 http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/?p=174#comment-405 God- I hated Watchmen, actually walked out after an hour of that shit. Can't beleive the budget it got. The Comedian what a f..... joke..he shoots a pregnant woman, bearing his own child, and I'm supposed to feel pathos for this character... that's definately not my idea of Conan- like qualities....Would much rather have seen Outlander, made on a shoe-string budget, that was realeased simultaneously,in selected theaters, but hasen't yet played here in Canada..not that I'm aware of anyway. It was a pleasure working as an extra, on the set for Outlander in Newfoundland, even in the freezing cold, thought I was going to catch my death. The vision that Dirk and Howard had, to film in this little corner of the world-I'm assuming- for authenticity, shows the lengths they are willing to go to...Can't wait to see it. If that high of a standard is acheived for Conan, then no worries -it's in good hands...Would love to get on the Conan set as an extra...Man!.. to be a part of that... Would do it for nothing! God- I hated Watchmen, actually walked out after an hour of that shit. Can’t beleive the budget it got. The Comedian what a f….. joke..he shoots a pregnant woman, bearing his own child, and I’m supposed to feel pathos for this character… that’s definately not my idea of Conan- like qualities….Would much rather have seen Outlander, made on a shoe-string budget, that was realeased simultaneously,in selected theaters, but hasen’t yet played here in Canada..not that I’m aware of anyway. It was a pleasure working as an extra, on the set for Outlander in Newfoundland, even in the freezing cold, thought I was going to catch my death. The vision that Dirk and Howard had, to film in this little corner of the world-I’m assuming- for authenticity, shows the lengths they are willing to go to…Can’t wait to see it. If that high of a standard is acheived for Conan, then no worries -it’s in good hands…Would love to get on the Conan set as an extra…Man!.. to be a part of that… Would do it for nothing!

]]> By: Carlos the Jackal http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/conan-an-answer-to-carlos-the-jackal/#comment-402 Carlos the Jackal Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:50:32 +0000 http://outlanderthemovie.wordpress.com/?p=174#comment-402 Ratner: "The script is very cool, contemporary. [...] It’s not an homage. It’s not a remake, really. It’s going back to the original source material — the mythology of the characters. [...] [Screenwriters Dirk Blackman and Howard McCain] just did an incredible, incredible job or else I wouldn’t be risking it..." This means that the script is finished. Congratulations! Ratner: “The script is very cool, contemporary. [...] It’s not an homage. It’s not a remake, really. It’s going back to the original source material — the mythology of the characters. [...] [Screenwriters Dirk Blackman and Howard McCain] just did an incredible, incredible job or else I wouldn’t be risking it…”

This means that the script is finished. Congratulations!

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